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*THIS IS MY SECOND POST, MY FIRST POST WAS NOT SHOWN IN YOUR HATE MAIL. I HOPE YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH.*
Just came across to your site. I read your articles and found lots of false accusations to the group PMCC 4th Watch, especially alleging it as a cult. I would like you to prove your assertions in an online debate with me. By the way here is my brief background, fagsforchrist.wordpress.com. You can leave a comment there.
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Hello Roland. Thank you for contacting the Watchers of the 4th Watch. We apologize for not responding earlier. We usually respond within 24 hours, but because you requested a debate, we were making sure we had an appropriate platform to conduct it on. We just established two new and improved forums for our project, as our first one was only temporary, which was used to gain the attention of the 4th Watchers on Facebook. Now that we've done that, we are creating a more effective forum on our own website. Our head producer, Atheist Jesus, will also be using Facebook to host debates and discussions in case any 4th Watcher would like to debate on a more familiar platform. Everything should be completed within 2 hours, and then we can discuss where and how we will conduct the debates. We look forward to it.
By the way, we read your post the first time when it was posted to one of our message boards. We replied back but we don't think you saw it because you didn't respond. That's okay though. This new debate should do us well. Again, we look forward to it. We will email you when the forums are up. Thank you.
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Roland, I see that you are in the process of creating a thread on your blog. I'm not exactly sure what your intentions are, but if you want to have a debate with me, you need to contact me to let me know what's going on. This is my fourth attempt to contact you without any reply from you. We cannot have a debate unless we establish communication between us. You are the one who initiated a debate with me, so you need to make sure you follow through or at least let me know that you are no longer willing to have it.
I am wondering if you want to have the debate on your blog. I would rather have it on Facebook or the forum on our website. If however you want to conduct it on your blog, that is fine, but I need to know the regulations for debating on your platform, and then I can decide if I wish to continue. Also, if we are to debate there, you must allow for every post I make to be made available, unless I break the rules. I will not debate anyone if they have to moderate the post first and then post it. I want posting to be without timely delays and I want the both of us to have the freedom to say whatever we want, or at least close to it.
Also, I do not understand your message about me not putting your mail in our hatemail section. What does that have to do with the automatic responses and you sending another mail? Also, I am going to have to start exercising, so let's at least establish the rules and then when we are both ready, we can do this.
Since you are making no attempt to contact me or to initiate the debate, I am starting to believe that you were not serious about your request. I am going to go exercise now. Let me know if you decide you want to debate after all.
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I will read the rules you suggested.
I modified the wordpress settings so that comments do not need administrator approval.
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Okay, just keep me informed so that we can start this. Is this going to be a public or private debate?
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I prefer a public debate.
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Okay, so am I to expect other 4th Watchers to join in?
What I mean is the debate will be available in the internet for all to see, but it is a one-on-one debate between us.
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Okay, so am I to expect other 4th Watchers to join in?
This debate doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Are you serious about this or what?
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I would like to add and edit some of the debate rules:
1. Both parties must maintain the highest possible level of discussion and relevance in this thread.
2. No "Flaming". Both parties will not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member. This will include misquoting another member out of context. However, you may discuss another member's beliefs.
3. No "Offensive" or "Illegal" Posts, Links or Images. Both parties will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory or otherwise violative of any local or international laws, against another member.
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In addition to the terms of debate, I would like to suggest the following:
Debate Proper
There will be two sets for the debate. In either of the sets, one is in the affirmative side, and another is in the negative side. They will change the topic and switch roles after the 1st set, before beginning the 2nd set.
Debate Format
A refers to the member in the affirmative side.
N refers to the member in the negative side.
In either of the sets, here is the format:
First Affirmative Constructive of A
Cross Examination of N - at most 5 questions (follow-up questions are counted)
First Negative Constructive of N
Cross Examination of A - at most 5 questions (follow-up questions are counted)
Second Affirmative Constructive of A
Cross Examination of N - at most 5 questions (follow-up questions are counted)
Second Negative Constructive of N
Cross Examination of A - at most 5 questions (follow-up questions are counted)
Third Affirmative Constructive of A
Cross Examination of N - at most 5 questions (follow-up questions are counted)
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The format of the debate you desire seems rather formal. I want to make sure that we are able to get all of our points across. But we can try it like this and see how it goes.
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Yes the format I suggested is a formal one.
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During the debate, by what name would you like to be addressed? Phillip Keenan, Joe Masters, Atheist Jesus, etc.?
You can address me by my name Roland, or Mr. Laynesa.
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In order to be as least offensive as possible for this debate, we should address everyone by proper names. You may address me by my screen name Joe Masters, Joe, etc. or Atheist Jesus. Joe will probably be easiest for you. I will refer to you as Roland.
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Are we going to leave posts as time permits or are we going to do this at certain times only?
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I do not think we have the same time zone. Moreover I have a job that requires me to work in different time frames, but I will do my best to post as frequently as I can.
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Is there any way to change my avatar?
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I do not know if an unregistered poster can change his avatar, but you have an option to register for free in wordpress.
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It seems like I lost you again.
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I think we are done with #2 Terms of debate. For #3 Coin toss, I suggest that we can use the system available in Virtual Coin Toss http://cgi.cs.duke.edu/~des/vct/vct.cgi
I will be online again probably 9 hours from now.
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For # 1 Debate topic, here is my suggestion:
Either 1st or 2nd set (depending on the coin toss result):
Joe - affirmative side
Roland - negative side
Joe will prove that PMCC 4th Watch is a cult of Christianity.
Either 1st or 2nd set (depending on the coin toss result):
Roland - affirmative side
Joe - negative side
(I am thinking of the counterpart of your affirmative topic, this is what I think complements your affirmative topic, but you can suggest other possible topic as my affirmative.)
Roland will prove that PMCC 4th Watch is the true church, according to the Bible.
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Okay, well let's get this party started.
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We really need to start this.
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Here is the link for the thread of our first debate:
http://fagsforchrist.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/1stdebate/
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1st set
Roland - affirmative side
Joe - negative side
Roland will prove that PMCC 4th Watch is the true church, according to the Bible.
2nd set
Joe - affirmative side
Roland - negative side
Joe will prove that PMCC 4th Watch is a cult of Christianity.
The 1st set begins.
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