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Please know this: every person makes mistakes. Nobody is perfect."
We do acknowledge that every person makes mistakes, and that nobody's perfect. We realize that the 4th Watch cult leader makes mistakes, and we just want him to start setting things right, and stop scamming his victims. Is that too much to ask?
"Do you realize that by slandering 4th watch you're only destroying your lives."
First of all, we're not slandering the 4th Watch, and even if we were, we don't see how that's destroying our lives. Surely it's not destroying our lives like how the cult is destroying yours.
"Why is that? Because all things in this world are meaningless."
If this is what you are being taught in the cult, this is only more proof of what we say in our project about the 4th Watch. So as you can see, we're not slandering them.
"I have a friend from the 4th watch and I know he's only doing his to serve God."
Well, that's part of the problem.
"Their prophet-apostle was called upon by God in the end days."
And your evidence of this is? You see, you accused us of slander, but here you are now being dishonest since you have no real reason to believe in such a ridiculous thing. Where is your evidence of this?
"Because his ministry is with no end, their leader does not own property of his own."
That is highly unlikely. Plenty of 4th Watchers have reported to us that he lives very well in a mansion. He is constantly witnessed driving in limousines, wearing fancy suits, and acting like a rock star. This image of Arsenio Ferriol living in a poor neighborhood with only rags to wear is quite silly.
"Even if you check it out for yourself, all religious leaders have houses of their own."
Well they actually should. No one's trying to argue that religious leaders shouldn't have decent homes. We're countering the idea that the apostle lives poorly, and that it is in bad character to live so richly while giving nothing to those who need it the most; instead keeping the money for himself and his family, getting rich off of false hopes. He is a con-man.
"But Arsenio Ferriol? He doesn't have a house but the same building he's staying with bible students."
Again, this is not what has been reported to us by ex-4th Watchers. Furthermore, the pictures of this man indicate that he does live a luxurious life style. The idea of him living in a cold lonely basement somewhere in the middle of nowhere seems like a fantasy that only 4th Watchers want to believe.
"You people who are criticizing their church, you'll be the ones punished by God."
God would have to exist in order for that to happen.
"This is because it is said that blessed are they who are being persecuted and it is said that those sent by God first are those slandered by people."
That's nice, but there is no evidence to suggest that Christianity is real, or that God exists.
"Many of them so not hold beliefs because their minds are blinded by their own God."
You mean like how the 4th Watch blinds its members?
"Who are you to judge this people?"
We are intelligent and moral persons. Those are the only qualifications that we need.
"Did these people ever judge you? No."
Yes they certainly did. They told us many times that we were wrong about God, and that we deserved Hell, and that that's exactly where we were going.
"But what they are doing is letting people remember God."
They're also brainwashing them, and scamming them out of their money.
"Where and when how and what? By sharing and giving your lives to God."
Yeah, sharing and giving your lives to an evil god and evil scam-artist is wrong and dangerous.
"Because the duty of man is to serve God."
We disagree. The duty of man is to serve himself and those who he loves.
"Repent for your doings."
You first. Thanks.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 17, 2013
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Aren't you afraid of what you are saying against the 4th
Watchers? You guys are totally wrong.
-Phoea
December 9, 2013
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Thank you for your question and comment. No, we are not afraid, and no,
we're not wrong. Anything else?
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Thanks for contacting us. Some of us might actually agree with you, but this doesn't really have anything
to do with the 4th Watch. Carry on.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Sorry, but you have no evidence of us being in the 4th Watch. Nations collapsing don't indicate anything about your religion. And while we appreciate your thoughts on everything else, they don't really have anything to do with the cult. But thanks for sharing anyway.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 15, 2013
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We don't belong to any cult. We're pretty good men and women, actually. We hope that that answers your question! Thanks.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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how dare you insult our church
-Mikko
September 5, 2013
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Thanks for contacting us Mikko. It's very quite simple actually. In fact, how dare you guys lie to the public about your religion?
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Thanks for contacting us again. Your church is evil. That basically says
it all.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Hi Joseph! Thanks for contacting the organization that keeps your cult in check. We would like to show you where all of the site managers live so that you can show some bullets to their brains, but we're afraid that you're probably a bad shot, and we wouldn't want to embarrass you. And then of course, the police would put you in jail, and, well, you know how it is. We're sure that you do since you were probably already in jail. We suspect that a lot of 4th Watchers are in jail. Is that where you guys met? Just curious. Thanks for contacting us!
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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stop destroying others.. try to focus on yourself. You have
envy in your heart and that is not the work of GOD...Whoever the author of this page
or what we call project. try to ask yourself and all your work. You are nothing but
to destroy people's belief and reputation.......................
-Unidentified
July 21, 2013
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Thanks for your input. We're not trying to destroy anyone; just the PMCC 4th Watch organization. It's fitting since the members of the 4th Watch cult have tried to destroy others for the sake of greed.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Thank you for your email Tricia. We can ensure you that nothing about our project is a big mistake. If you'd like to correct any possible mistakes, you may let us know about them, but it looks like you just want to insult us. Exposing the PMCC 4th Watch has nothing to do with our lives being miserable; it has to do with this particular cult trying to make our lives miserable. Thanks for the comments anyway.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Thanks for your comment. You don't seem to understand how business works.
Why is it that you see many of the same companies have many different
stores through out the world. They spend money on making new stores so
that they can get more business, and make more money! The more churches
the apostle has, the more money he makes. We hope that this helps you
understand.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Thank you for your comment. No, we don't believe in God. We don't believe
in Satan either since there is no evidence for them. We would love to
debate you in public. Please let us know how we can get started with that.
Thank you. And by the way, God is incapable of forgiveness.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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I will not leave the truth of Gods word, if you dont believe in Him, just
give the truth a chance.
-Isabel
June 26, 2013
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We did. Your evil god failed.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Subject: question
If you intentionally built this site to malign us, well, God is
the judge. Whatever reason you have, in time you will reap what you sow. not now,
maybe in the future. I hope that this site watching or collecting other people's
dust wont hurt your job at all and I hope that this is not your main source of
income, hmmm, getting donations from symphatizers. Coz if you do, you should be the
first one on the main page. I think you are against us because you are a former
brethren who was not in tune with our belief like you have your own principles. Ok
its natural that there are people like you with different orientation in life. I
hope that God can come between us and smite the evil between in us. Trying to
contact me or persuading me in any form wont work, my reasoning power is intact. In
life there is balance, you balance well enough. thankyou!
-Isabel
June 14, 2013
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Humanism alone is full of error. A dash of atheism makes it worst. As I
say, without God, you accept that you came from monkeys, intelligent yes
but with flaws. Leave the cult, yes, once you know the truth. But me
considering atheism, better become an animal. Atheist are like barbarians.
They live without rules only by instincts, they die like trampled insects
and rot like meat. The people who left us were not alarming. As we
believe, there are sheeps and goats. If they are with they will stay, but
if they dont like. they are free to go. Their conscience will haunt them
until to the other side.
-Isabel
June 18, 2013
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Thank you for contacting us again. What is wrong about love and reason?
These two things are what make up Humanism. Atheism is simply a rational
result of these two things. Without God, we accept that we didn't come
from God. However, if we value reason, the we value science, and science
has proved that we evolved from previous life forms. However, you are
incorrect about those life forms being monkeys. Humans and monkeys had a
common ancestor, but humans did not evolve from monkeys. Perhaps you
should educate yourself a little more before you talk about such things.
Also, your impression of atheists is extremely incorrect. Atheists are not
like barbarians. In fact, we are less like barbarians than Christians are.
I don't know of any atheists who live without rules. Most atheists think
that rules are very important, for they give order to society. To say that
we live without rules is proof that you are very ignorant. Furthermore,
atheists die like anybody else. Yes, we rot like meat since that is
exactly what we're made of. Lol. Christians are made of meat too, in case
you didn't know.
The rest of what you said made no sense, but thanks for your email!
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Subject: This Website
Seriously, whoever made or wrote these 'facts' is just a major
hypocrite. You people say that we manipulate people, brainwash innocent minds, which
is blatantly untrue. This website is the sole proof that you're the ones guilty on
the spot. And you still think that you have the right to bash people who have
nothing against you? You might think that you're doing people a favor. But for once,
the favor that you're giving them is the one who will destroy them.
Is it our fault that your mind is so royally screwed up that you decided to turn
against God? Or can't you just accept the fact that whatever you're doing is wrong
and can't take it back?
Like Jesus said in a parable: "The blind will lead the blind towards the ditch."
Funny, isn't it? That this is the one currently happening to you? Jesus gave that
example because that will happen in the near possible future.
When you say that there's no proof of the apostleship of the apostle, isn't it just
perfect to ask you if you have proof that a God doesn't exist? You think that you're
right about anything, but you're wrong. Don't even answer this with science, because
science itself cannot explain the existence of the universe. Unlike the bible who
gave a chronological order of how the world was made.
God isn't evil. Your words make Him sound like evil. Actually, you're the ones who
is evil. God created man only for one purpose, and that is to serve Him.
God gave us free will, to choose what path we want to. Unluckily for you, you've
chosen the wrong path. I would have said that you can turn back to God, but I guess
that's too late.
Ex-4th Watchers here who commented against their past church, are the ones who
regarded the church whimsically, and without seriousness. I even read that some says
that they do not even feel the presence of the Holy Spirit, or feel His guidance and
blessings. Well, the proof that God gives blessings to the just and unjust is you
reading this now.
Atheism is wrong. People need God in their lives, not someone like you who would
bring people into danger. I see lots of people everyday and I try to share to them
God's unexplainable blessing. I hope that you'll be amongst that multitude.
P.S.: Your website layout sucks. Get a new web designer and start changing your
layout. It's completely unfriendly. Hmm.. I guess that really reflects your
personality.
-Christian
June 13, 2013
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First off, thank you for contacting the Watchers of the 4th Watch.
These facts were put together by deep research, and conducted by persons
who were actually in the 4th Watch cult, so be assured that we know what
we're talking about. It is also incorrect to believe that 4th Watchers
have nothing against us. 4th Watchers, as well as many Christians, hate
atheists, and they worship a god who wants to torture them forever in
Hell. So don't tell us that they don't have anything against us.
Fortunately, God doesn't exist, so rest assured that we're not screwing
anybody up, and nobody has to be tortured for simply not believing in him.
That would be pretty evil. But we're educating persons to teach them about
this evil god not existing, so we wouldn't say that what we're doing is
wrong at all.
We don't need proof that God doesn't exist. You're the ones teaching
everybody that he exists, and so you're the one who needs to offer proof.
But you don't have any. You have no proof that God exists, and you have no
proof that your apostle is who he says he is. Because you have no evidence
to back these claims up, nobody has any reason to believe them.
God is indeed evil. In fact, your own words have proved that. Creating
someone with the sole purpose to serve you is evil. Punishing someone for
not serving you is evil. God is evil. Thanks for proving that.
Your statement about proof that God gives blessings to the just and unjust
makes no sense until you can offer evidence that God is real in the first
place.
There is no reason for why anybody needs an evil god like yours in their
lives, and certainly not a false apostle to steal their money by selling
this claim. You even admit that God's "blessings" are unexplainable. If
that's the case, then why are you assuming that they come from God? You
make no sense.
It's too bad that you don't like the website layout. The header and footer
were molded after the previous 4th Watch website, so you must think that
their website sucked too. As for the rest, we're very proud of it. There
is a lot of information regarding the evils of the 4th Watch cult, and so
it was a challenge to present it in an orderly way. If you have any
suggestions, please let us know what they are. Thank you.
Consider atheism. Embrace Humanism. Leave the cult.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Subject: Follow-Up Question
Define cult, in your own words, and please, don't give me the
stupid 'copy-paste' reply or even worse, the thought of the ones written. I want to
hear the exact definition of the one who's going to answer. Answer the whole
paragraph, not word by word, 'cause twisting my words is one of my pet peeves.
And please, hurry up with your reply on my first comment. I have so much topic to
debunk about this website. I can tell that this will be fun. You know, proving that
this website is a complete collection of unverified 'out of the box' comments about
the church.
Don't even try to rebunk my question with another reverse psychological question.
It's definitely annoying, and unprofessional on your part.
Well, I guess let's drop the unprofessional part, 'cause a bunch of teenagers
created this website.
-Christian
June 13, 2013
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We look forward
to any debating that you might like to conduct.
You asked us to define a cult in our own words. We go into great detail on
what a cult is in our project. You can see that by going here:
http://www.pmcc4thwatchtruth.org/pages/web/whatisacult.shtml
As for a short answer, this is how we define a cult:
Any organization, usually of a religious and fraudulent nature, whose
beliefs, which are often false, and practices, especially their rituals,
are considered to be highly strange, unorthodox, weird, and/or unusual and
highly dangerous to members and society, which often include psychological
programming, and all of which is often led by a charismatic leader.
Sorry for the delay in replying to your comment. Most of us in the project
have moved on to other things, and we only check our email a few times a
year. However, if you are interested in initiating a debate with us, we
will be more than happy to do that, and we can keep in regular contact.
Indeed, this will be fun, and we look forward to it.
The website and project were created by adults, most of who were members
of the 4th Watch cult. We know a great deal about your cult, and we will
be more than happy to debate you. Good luck.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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Subject: I need to study my religion at our shools
Dear Brethren in LORD in 4th watcher
Peace of JESUS CHRIST
I would like to study my religion at our schools, the to learn more and to
be evangelist and a good servant of JESUS, because JESUS is the first in
my life. I hope to take a scholarship from you for that.
I'm in JESUS 21 years, but I became in 4th watcher sens 3 years only in
Saudi Arabia - Jeddah, I was attending there, but after return back to my
country (Jordan)I did not find a church here in (Amman)before 21 years I
was a muslim from muslim family, my name is (Mohammad Al Jamal) in my
official documents, I could not change this name from documents, I like my
name daniel, I have 42 years old.
I hope to take an opportunity for studding with you, because I can't do
that here in my country.
JESUS bless you
brother Daniel
-Daniel
May 25, 2013
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It would be better if you stopped being a Christian; at least stop being a
4th Watcher. That's my advice.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
May 26, 2013
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do you mean that you want me to leave JESUS CHRIST ? is this your advise ?
if mean that, I want to tel you that the real believer in JESUS cannot
leave him at all, because JESUS is the truth and the way, all other ways
go to the hell direct, please dont give anyone this advice , because this
is from Devil, come to JESUS now and pray , cry to him, GOD forgive me I
want to be your son and a servant.
I will pray for you also
GOD bless you
-Daniel
May 26, 2013
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Yes, you should leave Jesus Christ. He's just a fairy tale.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
May 26, 2013
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We don't have a religion. We don't have an email address of the PMCC 4th
Watch church. We're an anti-4th Watch organization, exposing the cultic
truth of the PMCC 4th Watch cult.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
June 3, 2013
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you are without religion ?
-Daniel
June 4, 2013
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Yes.
-Watchers of the 4th Watch
December 8, 2013
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