I'm sorry that you were psychologically programmed by the church. That's how they get many persons to join their cult.

"My parents were pastors from a baptist church about 6 years ago. My dad died about three Sundays after the church had started. I felt the whole world crash down on me because he was the only one i had in my life. Even though i didn't share his beliefs it never change our relationship, but his death made me so angry at God. I questioned why they said God loved us if he knew we would suffer and die. Years went by and i started pushing narcotics and doing drugs. I never wanted to have anything to do with God or Christianity. I was hurt and felt alone."

Exactly. You were going through difficult times. You were vulnerable, and the 4th Watch took advantage of your weakened mental state, and they preyed on you. You are a victim. That's exactly how they get you. That's how it happened to many of us.

"When i came back to the U.S. to join the Navy. I was invited to go to their church. I felt uneasy because i had a deep belief in science and always thought going to Church was irrational and a waste of time."

Yes, but you were vulnerable, and the best con-artists can trick the best skeptics.

"I never believed in evolution or the big bang theory because there is too many flaws which is why it is still a theory."

Actually, evolution is a proved fact. There are no flaws in evolutionary theory. We're not sure how you acquired this belief that there are flaws in the theory, but we can assure you that there are none. And your understanding of "theory" is incorrect. There is nothing higher than a theory in science. A theory is an explanation for a phenomenon that is greatly supported by evidence. The more evidence that a theory has, the more factual it is considered to be. Evolution is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence, and that is why it is considered by scientists to be a fact.

"They never forced their beliefs on me and I knew a lot of what the bible says. I know what the bible says about creation and how it goes perfectly in accordance to the creation we see an hear about in history today."

Actually, the creation story doesn't coincide with history at all. The age of the Earth, the shape of the Earth, evolution, etc., all go against what the Bible says. The Bible is wrong; science is right.

"Im not going to argue about who is right or wrong but the important thing that i realized and found in Christianity and this church in particular, is that there was nothing i could prove them or the bible wrong."

Would you like some help with that? There are lots of things that we can prove them wrong about. We will be more than happy to help you with this.

"Every question i had, i found an answer for."

Having an answer to a question isn't anything to be in awe over. Having a correct answer is what's important. You see, this is a trick that they play on you. You have questions, and they provided answers to those questions for you. The problem is, those answers are not true. Unfortunately, in your weakened state, you didn't care about whether those answers were true or not. You just felt comfortable hearing the answers...and they know this, and they took advantage of this fact.

"After several weeks of observing the church i realized how wrong I was(the things and the way i used to think)."

Wrong. You're only believing what the church is telling you, but you still don't have the truth, and you're not going to get it from this cult.

"I saw how true the bible really is."

Actually, science has proved the Bible to be false, so you should re-examine this statement. If you like, we can show you how science has proved it wrong.

"I stay at my church. I have only been attending for 6 months. I am not doing any form of bible school. I do not pay any amount to stay here at the church."

In the beginning, they will show much love to you, but after a while, they will get tired of doing that, and they will attack you for money. If you want to be a 4th Watcher, you must know that giving them money is a requirement for getting into Heaven.

"I looked into what a so called deacon said about the twisting of a verse to favor a belief and i noticed how it still made sense without any kind of special knowledge.i used to think they were blind and running their lives into a brick wall of nonsense but in fact i realized how i was running into a wall of nonsense."

Yep; we went through the same thing. After a while we finally woke up. It takes longer for others.

"When my parents were still alive i was the valedictorian of our class. Science and math major and received scholarships from 3 major Colleges in the Philippines. I was on the road to success. I now realize that all that success and all the money in the world would never make me happy."

Does believing in lies make you happy? For many, the answer is yes, but is happiness worth living a lie?

"I know you probably don't believe that man has a soul but it wasn't worth losing my soul over."

What evidence do you have that a soul exists, and if this is how you feel, would you look into joining other religions too. After all, it isn't worth losing your soul over it right?

"We suffer so much in this short lifetime and i don't want to keep suffering this way for an eternity."

Don't worry; you won't. God and Hell aren't real. And if they were, and God would make you suffer for eternity just for not believing in him, then that would make him evil. Remember that you're worshiping this guy.

"If it is true that God is real and there is a heaven and a hell."

Yes, but it's not true, so don't worry.

"I don't think that it is illogical to be prepared."

The problem is that you are not preparing your life for things that are real.

"I am now living a happy life serving God."

Yes, and you are now serving evil.

"Every morning i thank God for what he has done in my life and that he gave me the strength to live another day. I have never been more successful in my life as far as finances go and i believe that God will continue to provide like he has been doing my whole life."

Many persons who worship God are not blessed. What would you say about that? In fact, many 4th Watchers are not blessed, but the great trick that the cult leaders of the 4th Watch enjoy is the fact that while their members are not blessed, they think that they are. It's all deception, and the leadership profits off of it.

"We were given free will to make our own decisions in life and this is a decision i wish i had made a long time ago. I know God has a plan for each and every one of us and ill pray for you."

Actually, in Christianity, there is no such thing as free will. In fact, immediately after you mentioned that God gave you free will, you stated that he also has a plan for you. In truth, God made an ultimate plan, and he knows everything that's going to happen. Thus, you have no free will.

"I know you have no idea about what I know now but all it takes is just letting go of the wheel and let Christ drive. I did and now i have never been more happy and blessed in my whole life."

Yes, that's exactly what a cult wants you to do. Just let them control you. No thanks; we don't want that... and neither should you.

"Thank you and God Bless."

Thank you for contacting the Watchers of the 4th Watch. We will continue to hope that one day you realize what has happened, and you leave the cult.

Nice to meet you Harlote. We're the Watchers of the 4th Watch.

"What is your proof that we are liars? How can you say that?"

This is a good question for you to ask Harlote, but it's a question that we have answered several times. We back up everything that we say. Information presented on this website comes from ex-members as well as members, and extensive research on your cult. If you want specifics; please read the whole documentation provided for you on the website. Thanks.

"Have you even tried [joining] us?"

Yes; that's one of the ways of how we know that what we say is true. The majority of us here were once members in your cult. We escaped, and we are now telling others about our experiences in order to prevent them from making the same mistake that we did.

"[It must be you who's] a liar; you so boastfully speak as if you know who we really are. What [lies] you are posting here!"

Again; everything that we say is backed up and comes from members who are experienced with your church. We were very careful to present only true information. Some of the information is of our opinion only, and stated beliefs based on the research. Perhaps you are getting those two things confused. In any case; if you have a problem with something concerning our project; please let us know what it is, and explain your position. You 4th Watchers keep yelling at us telling us that we lie, but you don't do anything to try and correct the problem. It makes us believe that perhaps you know that what we say is the truth.

"Well, I'm very sorry; we don't have time for the likes of you."

Well; if you don't have time for us; then you can't help to correct anything that we might be wrong about concerning your religion. Then again; we have several 4th Watchers demanding that we debate them...though they never actually follow through with that; so maybe you're right; you don't have time for us. Well...find it.

"We both know that even now it is you who will lose [the argument]."

Oh really? Why is that? We have facts on our side. What do you have?...an imaginary god and false apostle? Not good.

"Why would you even waste time doing this to us if we were liars."

Uh; so that we can warn about your lies to others in order to protect them.

"It just shows your true colors--that is that you are losers. Oh well, as the holy book says: blessed are those who are humble and the true church that is being persecuted."

Don't flatter yourselves. All churches are being prosecuted; so all churches must be the true church! It's prophecy! Lol.

"You are "so very very loser people." Everyone who believes in your lies--they are all idiots. Well, that doesn't matter anymore since we are the true church after all."

Well; what evidence do you have that what we say are lies? What evidence do you have that your church is a true church, or that your religion is true at all? You come here shouting insults, and making claims, but you don't back up anything that you say. Are we really the losers here?

"Then I guess you wouldn't even publish this comment of mine because you know that what I say is true."

Oh we have no problem posting this. Here it is. What you say is FALSE. Haha.

"I pity you lot."

Thank you. Yes; our experience in the cult was pretty bad, but we're mostly over it now. Thanks for your concern. I also pity you for still being a victim of psychological programming from your cult. Please seek help in order to escape.

"how you will convert 4th watchers or even all Christians around the world using fallacious accusations?"

Well; we're not exactly trying to convert Christians with this project. We're simply educating the public about your cult, but we would absolutely love to convert any 4th Watchers into more normal Christians, or better yet; atheists/Humanists. In any case; we do not make fallacious accusations here. We back up everything that we say the best that we can.

"don't claim if you cannot prove it."

We like your attitude about not making a claim unless you can prove it. Indeed; when persons make claims; they should be able to back them up with some sort of evidence or at least acceptable reasons why that claim is believed. And sure enough; that's exactly what we do in our project. But we have a question for you. If you truly think that claims should have proof; then why do you believe in your god and apostle without such proof? Tell us; what is the evidence that your god is real? What is your evidence that your religion is true? What is your evidence that Arsenio Ferriol is the apostle that he says that he is? We'll be waiting for your answers. We doubt that they will come though.

"set a debate."

Would love to. In fact; we've been trying to debate you guys for a long time. But most of you are cowards it seems.

"that's the principle that lacks into your hate org. what is the sense of a freethinker if you will always hide into your monitor making some scratch and waiting hate mails."

http://www.pmcc4thwatchtruth.org/pages/web/debates/debate1intro.shtml

"make your atheist grandpa proud!!!!! "God is Dead" -Nietzsche "Nietzsche is dead" -God..."

Nietzsche's point is that God is not necessary, and doesn't exist. Since God doesn't exist; he can't say that Nietzsche is dead. Think about that.

"Dude, dare to post this mail! remember, the burden of proof is in your position."

We have no problem posting this mail. We find it quite hilarious. While we agree that our claims require support; we offer them, and we ask you now what your reasoning is behind what you believe. We "dare" you to address this. Thanks.

"debate by means of pure reason will do! ATHEIST vs THEIST."

We agree! Let's do it! Don't get scared on us now.

"if all of you will refuse to conduct debate, logically speaking, all of you are coward. shame to post-modern atheist..tsk tsk!"

We agree. Okay; we accept your debate. We'll be waiting for you. Will you follow through? Probably not. Most 4th Watchers are cowards after all.

"This just proves how jealous and LOW LIFE people you are.."

Oh really? Well you worship a god that drowns babies. I call that pretty low.

"Targeting our Church (Pmcc 4th watch) I am a Bretheren Here in UNITED KINGDOM and the churrch here is VERY active.. IF our church isn't TRUE THEN EXPLAIN HOW OUR CHURCH IS GLOBAL.."

You are saying that your church is true because it is global? Then by your own logic; the Catholic church is the true church because they are global too. In fact; they're MUCH more global than you are; so Catholicism must be a truer church than yours. Oops. Hey; Islam is global. I guess Islam is the true religion too huh? In any case; most of us don't have a relgion anyways. Religions such as yours have no place in decent society.

it is NOT BRAINWASHING FOR APOSTLE FERRIOL FOLLOWED EVERY BIT OF THE BIBLE.."

Actually; there is a lot in the Bible that your apostle Ferriol does not follow. The concept of the 4th Watch itself is not Biblical, and the fact that he allows female preachers also tells you that he is not a Biblical guy...though not being Biblical is usually the best way to go since most of the Bible is fiction and immoral. Anyways; it is indeed brainwashing. Our project teaches all about his methods of brain washing and mind programming.

"If you dont know then LISTEN to his PreschingS"

Oh we have, and that's part of how we came to the realization that he's a false apostle, and scam-artist.

"and dont do some LOW LIFE WEBSITE LIKE THIS HOW SAD YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME(YOU DONT HAVE A "LIFE") TO TRY TO RUIN OUR CHURCH'S REPUTAION.. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN FOR WE HAVE OUR GOD PROTECTING US LIKE YOU HAVE THE "dEVIL" BRAINWASHING YOU to do this site and that you cant leave us alone.."

The church has already ruined its reputation through its cultic behaviors. We're just exposing them. How are we doing? Apparently; pretty good. ;)

"WHOEVER ORGANISATION OR CHURCH DID THIS IM ONLY TELLING YOU HOW LOW LIFE PEOPLE YOU ARE LOWER THAN BEGGARS.."

As long as we are not as low as your scam-artist and false apostle Arsenio Ferriol and his son; we'll be okay. :)

"makes me laugh"

Does worshiping a baby-murderer and scam-artist make you laugh?

"HAHAH how you keep on trying to destroy us but it Never *happens* BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOURSELVES THAT OUR CHURCH IS TRUE..."

If your church was true; then you'd have evidence to support this. You don't. Your church is garbage.

"may GOD have MERCY ON YOU.."

God isn't real Babe, and even if he was; the Bible is clear that he has no mercy to give.

"These are ALL LIES!"

Actually; they're not. Everything that we say is the truth. The information provided for you by us in our project comes from persons who were once members, and extensive research. If you have any evidence that something that we say is untrue; then please bring it to our attention, and tell us how you know it to be false. Thanks.

"Well first I am not a member, but my best friend IS!She's Very nice woman and very GOD FEARING respects everything and Every religion..."

We're sorry to break this to you, but your BEST friend belongs to a religion that teaches her that God will torture forever in Hell anyone who isn't a part of her religion. That's not nice, and it's certainly not respecting everything and every religion. We're positive that your friend might act nice, but a true member of this horrible religion cannot truly be called nice. It is possible that she does not follow the whole doctrine of her religion, or she doesn't even know what her doctrine is. Many 4th Watch cult members are not aware of the full doctrine that they claim to follow. We recommend that you bring this to her attention. In any case; she is part of a cult, and she needs to get out.

"What's wrong with you PEOPLE?!"

We're the ones saving innocent persons from engaging in a cult; so we don't think that there is anything wrong with us.

"I know for sure God is so Ashamed of what you're doing!"

God isn't real.

"Leave the Christians alone and fuck yourself!"

Do the Christians leave the gays alone? Do they leave atheists alone? Do they leave Muslims alone? They are a threat to the peaceful and reasonable world, and they need to be stopped. They also like to swear a lot, but that's okay. Lol.

"Well I think you're "Atheist""

Nooooo; anything but an atheist. Lol. An atheist? What was your first clue? The fact that we don't believe in God? Lol.

"and a very disrespectful person..."

Again; you Christians are among the most disrespectful peoples in the world. Speaking out against your disrespect might be disrespectful, but not all forms of disrespect are wrong. We are right in what we are doing.

"why don't you just leave and respect other people's religion!"

Do you respect Islam? Do you respect homosexuals? Do you respect ATHEISTS? More than likely you do not. In any case; your religion is responsible for the most horrible human events known to history. You don't deserve respect. Your religion needs to be done away with.

"You've just wasted you time and effort making this website...For sure your parents aren't even proud of you!"

Some of them aren't...because they're 4th Watcher bigots who will even hate their own children simply because they don't agree that the 4th Watch is the true church...which is just another reason why your religion deserves no respect.

"I find no acumen to find people with such fatuousness like you would acquaint such subterfuge! Why on earth would you tirade us with your calumnies if you yourselves don't even believe that there is a living God up in Heaven?"

Your Christian and cultic religion is teaching everyone to believe in things that are not true. Believing in falsehoods does not help our world progress. Inf act; it only helps to bring it down. Further more; your religion is immoral, and it teaches others to be immoral; creating a truly dangerous scenario in this world. It must be fought, and it must be eliminated. That is why.

"You should be grateful that there are people molded in the faith and gospel like us, who does not go out there to abrogate people's lives, but to go out and even emancipate the lost, and fluctuate their demolished lives?"

You make the world a more dangerous place to live in, and you want us to be grateful for that? We will not. In fact; we will do our best to stop you.

"Aren't you grateful that there are still people in this abhorrent world who doesn't desecrate, snatch adolescents to ruin their precious lives, or to just swindle off someone's property?"

Yes; I am grateful for that, and while we're sure that most of you 4th Watchers do not practice such evil; you are part of a religion that glorifies it.

"Be thankful God has raised faithful men and women to rescue the lost, out of the jeopardy of this world!"

If you are thankful to those who rescue the lost, and out of the jeopardy of this world; then you should be praising us; not condemning us; for that is exactly what we are doing with our organization. You 4th Watchers are the lost, and you are creating jeopardy in this world. We are here to help rescue you and your potential victims.

"You don't know, there's someone conspiring to end your life, but here comes a 4th Watcher, sent by God and saved his soul and even saved your life? Just imagine."

If a 4th Watcher saved our lives; we would be very grateful, but that doesn't mean that we should start hating gays, accepting lies, and forcing others to hate gays, and to accept your lies. Imagine if an atheist or Humanist like one of us saved your life. Just imagine.

"How could you say that our religion is a cult?"

We can say this because it meets the criteria for what a cult is. A cult is an organization whose beliefs and practices are highly unusual and dangerous. That fits the PMCC 4th Watch. Our project explains exactly how your religion fits the specifications of a cult. To see a list of your cultic characteristics; see this link at our website:

http://www.pmcc4thwatchtruth.org/pages/web/features.shtml

"Do you even read the Holy Bible?"

Some of us have read the whole thing while others have only read some of it. Most of us find the Bible pretty disgusting.

"Perhaps it's you who's the cult!"

Our beliefs are unusual and dangerous? No; they're not.

"You do not have any proof that the teachings of the 4th Watch are wrong, because all our teachings are based on the Bible!"

If your teachings are based on the Bible; then that is all of the proof that we need to tell others that your beliefs are wrong. This is because the Bible itself is wrong.

"I have come from other religions before, but the teachings of the 4th Watch are different."

Yes. That should tell you something. Indeed; they are a cult.

"If you can beat the 4th Watch in an oral argument, then I'm switching to your side!"

We would love to debate a 4th Watcher in person. In fact; we'd love to debate the Apostle himself, or we could even settle for his son. We have already debated with a few 4th Watchers online, and we always come out on top. In fact; you can read one of our debates on our website here:

http://www.pmcc4thwatchtruth.org/pages/web/debates/debate1intro.shtml

"You cannot get anything good from the likes of this website!"

The persons who come to this site are presented with the truth, and the truth is what everyone should be seeking.